Thursday, February 10, 2011

Holding back on lay administration

Sydney Anglicans have with great patience and restraint argued their case for lay administration over many years. They have marvelled at the way in which this has been equated with the open endorsement of a form of immorality against which Scripture directly speaks in other Anglican churches. They have been astonished at the passionate response to this attempt to change church order, when significant challenges to orthodox doctrine and ethics - and indeed, church order - go unremarked. They have been surprised at the innovations contemplated in the name of equality and mission, but resisted on this particular matter. If lay administration is a second order issue, as even Nicholas Taylor will admit, then why has it elicited so much hostility?

Despite all of this, I would like to argue that Sydney ought not go ahead with lay administration in the foreseeable future. I don’t think that there are any theological objections insofar as I would (and have) happily receive the Lord’s Supper in a Baptist church from a lay person and consider that the sacrament was in no way deficient – in fact, I would find it offensive were any Anglican to suggest it was in some way incomplete celebration. However, I do think it is not wise or necessary to proceed with this innovation at this time. I have six reasons.

First, despite what some of its proponents claim, it is not in fact a ‘gospel issue’. Calling it a gospel issue posits an either-or that is simply not accurate. It confuses gospel issues with church order issues. The reason for calling it a gospel issue is that reserving the act of administration at the Supper for the ordained priest/presbyter allegedly communicates a view of the sacrament which sets it apart from the Word and makes it a special means of grace in addition to the gospel in some way – along the lines of a Roman Catholic theology of the sacraments. However, there is no sense in which a Communion service run in the evangelical parishes of the diocese of Sydney could ever be confused in that way. The usual practice communicates anything but a sacerdotal view of the Supper - and there is no evidence that anyone thinks that it does. The ministers do not normally robe or even wear collars these days. The locally authorised liturgies specifically rule out a sacerdotal interpretation of the Communion. Who administers at the Supper becomes then a matter of church order rather than of the gospel itself.

Second, Sydney diocese has an enormous opportunity for a leadership of service within the Anglican Communion in the first decades of the twenty-first century – in countries where it is often difficult to be a Christian such as Egypt, Madagascar and Myanmar. Anglicans in these countries may class themselves as ‘evangelicals’ but may often just understand themselves to be ‘Anglican’ without reference to a party. They are conservative in theological outlook and looking for help in mission. They are reluctant to accept it from the liberal wing of the church, especially from the Episcopal Church of the USA which they feel has become morally compromised since consecrating two actively homosexual bishops. They are concerned that the same spirit of private judgement and self-legislation without wider consultation is at play in Sydney. Perhaps in Sydney we may quibble with their judgement on this matter. And yet cooperation with these churches is an opportunity for proclaiming Jesus. Can we not bear with the brethren on this matter for the sake of the good it might bring? Is it really of such importance in our own context that we cannot hold back? Is it really affecting our mission here in Sydney?

Third, evangelicals in other parts of the Anglican Communion aren’t calling for it with any enthusiasm. At present, many evangelicals look to Sydney for support and to see what might be achieved by evangelicals within an Anglican framework. That relationship would certainly be compromised by pushing ahead with lay administration. Sydney-trained clergy in other parts of the world would be given fewer opportunities and viewed with greater suspicion as a result of this change. In fact, Sydney-trained clergy serving outside Sydney have often called on Sydney to exercise restraint in this matter.

Fourth, simply as a matter of tactics lay administration is ill-advised. Currently, the North American liberals are tearing the Anglican Communion apart with their innovations. They have acted precipitously and selfishly. They have severely compromised the integrity of the Anglican Communion. The Sydney diocese does not share, as a matter ecclesiological conviction, the view of the unity of the Communion that others do. However, moving forward with lay presidency offers a chance for people to compare the two kinds of innovation and to view them as equivalent. A Communion wanting to appear even-handed may expel Sydney just as it expels ECUSA. Far better to allow the crisis over homosexual bishops to play itself out in the Communion and see what new state of play eventuates then to give those whose hatred of Sydney is implacable a cause to move against it.

Fifth, it is simply the case that no practical necessity drives lay administration in Sydney. There are plenty of candidates for ministry, and plenty of serving presbyters – certainly compared to other dioceses. The current practice is for a monthly communion or perhaps less. Almost every practical concern could be overcome. The current policy of only ordaining as presbyters those who are rectors is perhaps an obstacle, in that congregational leaders may frequently not be presbyters. I would be in favour of returning to the old system. Nevertheless, diaconal administration - which is currently in place – has made this need less urgent.

Sixthly, even though in my judgement no real case of any substance has been put against lay administration, the arguments have singularly failed to convince the wider Anglican Communion even slightly, let alone others in the Australian church. Many of those not convinced would count themselves as dear friends of the Sydney diocese. Whatever one’s opinion of the matter, this is precisely the opposite of the case with women’s ordination, where a clear majority of the Australian church were in favour. It may seem that almost four decades is a long time to be considering a change such as this. But more work is needed from the Sydney point of view to convince others of the pressing need – if pressing it is – for this change. It is telling that no significant monograph from a Sydney theologian has appeared in support of lay administration. Could Sydney really push ahead with the change without majority approval at a national level?
This may seem like a surprising conclusion. However it is arguably more consistent with the Christian gospel, which enjoins us not to insist on our own rights but to consider the needs of others. For a chance of sharing with the Anglicans of Myanmar or Egypt or Chile in their call to preach the gospel, I would readily lay down my insistence on a particular change of church order on which nothing of consequence hangs (if we are to be honest about it). Though no substantial arguments have appeared to counter lay administration at a theological level, here is an opportunity to show patient endurance for the sake of others. Are we mature enough as an institution to take that opportunity?

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

Michael; I don't know how you can say it isn't a gospel issue. When I was a lay reader; I wasn't allowed to give the congregation the assurance of forgiveness of sins, when reading from the prayer book

That part was for the priest only; after communion...

michael jensen said...

We have offices and orders and rules in church. Every church does. IN fact, NOT having order is a gospel issue against which Paul rails in 1 Cor 10-11.

The assurance of forgiveness of sins is not some intermediary function that emanates from the elevated status of the elder/priest/presbyter. If people think that, they need to have it explained to them.

Anonymous said...

Michael I'm not sure you have made yourself and the role of a lay reader clear. Are you saying that according to the rules for the lay reader, they are allowed to give the congregation full assurance of their forgiveness of sins.

michael jensen said...

No.

Fr Gwilym Henry-Edwards said...

Michael, I am deeply impressed by your article. While not in agreement with all you say, particularly in reference to ECUSA, I understand and respect your position.
I am a Christian first and I am also a priest in the Anglo-Catholic tradition of Anglicanism.
I see no theological reason against lay presidency - indeed, in my view, Jesus intended every meal to be a Eucharistic and sacramental event.
However, it is a matter of church order and is therefore important.
The Holy Spirit takes no notice of Church order, as St Paul observes, but he also says, "Let all things be done for edification."
For this reason, we choose to limit our freedom in Christ for the sake of the Gospel of Christ.

Matthew said...

Actually, lay people can give words of assurance of the forgiveness of sins, simply by reading scripture at the appropriate juncture, as in a morning prayer service. What they cannot do is pronounce the absolution.

This is a function of the authority the 'priest' possesses in the congregation, the manifestation in the duly appointed leader of that community of the commission of Christ "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained" (as quoted in the ordinal, said by the Archbishop during the laying on of hands).

This is connected to the dispute over lay presidency also. The Anglican ordinal passes on that responsibility for the pastoral care of the people - including through discipline of those who refuse to repent - to those ordained to the order of priest. (Some people like to limit that commission of Jesus to the apostles, but this is extremely unlikely. The whole point in context is that Jesus is leaving and therefore those still there, duly appointed, will need to exercise that task in the flesh. Once they've gone, they needed to have entrusted it to godly men who entrust it to others also, or this vital aspect of ministry would cease. That is clearly the assumption of the BCP.)

This is an aspect of the ministry of the 'priest' which, in my experience, Sydney Anglicanism tends to brush over or even dispute, but it is central to the understanding expressed in the BCP by which our church is constituted. If it is hard for Sydney Anglicans to understand why the rest of the church is unpersuaded, perhaps that is because they are not as well lined up with the foundational documents of our church as they like to think?

Lay presidency puts the discipline of the community - including the 'fencing' of the table - into the hands of people not trained and commissioned for the complexities of that burden. The restriction of the BCP has, I think, a lot of wisdom to commend it.

Anyway, that's why this evangelical is opposed to lay presidency in principle. Though I do agree it doesn't invalidate the sacramental celebration, I also believe it is a poor choice for church order and one that makes a mockery of the Anglican ordinal. It is not simply a question of whether it is theologically 'okay', there is also the question of whether it is pastorally wise, and whether it is consistent with our constitution in the book of common prayer - which I think it clearly is not.

However, for those unpersuaded by that argument, I agree with all the points Michael has made above. Thanks for saying it, Michael.

Anonymous said...

Who then is allowed to give the congregation the assurance of forgiveness of sins and through which / what media is this assurance given?

Matthew said...

Oh - sorry, the modern prayer books allow scripture for a lay word of assurance, the BCP says that in the absence of a priest the reader should use the collect for the 21st Sunday after Trinity instead:

Grant, we beseech thee, merciful Lord,
to thy faithful people pardon and peace,
that they may be cleansed from all their sins,
and serve thee with a quiet mind,
through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.

Anonymous said...

@ Matthew; I will argue that if a lay person is licensed to preach and perform pastoral duties; then they are released to give absolution of sins.

In the example you have given; only a senior priest / minister from a multi church large parish with a number of priests / ministers should only preside at communion and not the junior priests.

Anonymous said...

Yet Matthew a layperson whether licensed or not...is not allowed to say to the congregation from the pulpit or reading lectern... "Your sins are forgiven"

Even the example you gave from Scripture gives no assurance; its a prayer for forgiveness that offers no assurance.

This itself is a gospel issue and not an issue of Church order; no matter what spin is put onto it.

Karl Hand said...

So justice and inclusion are not gospel issues, and those who do practice such things are precipitous and selfish.

To me, that sounds nothing like the attitude of Jesus - who was willing to disrupt the unity and peace of a whole religion just for the joy of eating with unclean people and outcastes. :(

michael jensen said...

...well that assumes that the practices you are naming are just and rightly inclusive, which I would argue they aren't.

Anonymous said...

@Michael; are you saying that its a church order issue regarding the giving the congregation an assurance of sins that lay people have no right to partake in?

How then do you propose within the current church structure that laypeople can give that assurance to the congregation; if they have been licensed to perform pastoral / preaching duties

michael jensen said...

Perhaps they could say it in the service? It's not really a question I am very much interested in Craig. It seems mostly irrelevant to current practice in Sydney anyhow, in my experience.

The distinction between roles and rights is important here.

Matthew said...

At the risk of prolonging the tangent (sorry Michael) the APBA offers the following which may be said by any lay reader in place of the absolution (I don't have an AAPB handy sorry):

God desires that none should perish, but that all should turn to Christ, and live. In response to his call we acknowledge our sins. God pardons those who humbly repent, and truly believe the gospel. Therefore we have peace with God, through Jesus Christ. Amen.

OR

If anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the perfect offering for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:1-2)

OR

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the perfect offering for our sins. (1 John 4:10)

OR

Neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)

Matthew said...

Craig wrote:
I will argue that if a lay person is licensed to preach and perform pastoral duties; then they are released to give absolution of sins.

Actually no. A lay person is not licensed to perform ALL pastoral duties, only specific ones. They are not commissioned to give absolution of sins, which is only given to the priests at their ordination, as I explained above. Being admitted to one order of ministry is not a commission for all of them! Nor is being commissioned for lay ministry imply virtual ordination into any of the orders. The distinctions are quite clear.

Craig wrote:
In the example you have given; only a senior priest / minister from a multi church large parish with a number of priests / ministers should only preside at communion and not the junior priests.

Back on topic! It depends upon the structure of the church. If the rector is kind of outsourcing the pastoral leadership of his congregations to a variety of junior priests, then he might also delegate this responsibility to them, as people already commissioned to that order of ministry by the wider church. If the rector is keeping primary pastoral oversight of a congregation, then it is certainly preferable that he presides where possible, but again in his absence he may delegate (with careful communication about any disciplinary issues he may be working on).

Anonymous said...

In regards to your 5th point Michael; there are often times when a parish church needs to have an outside minister who has nothing to do with the congregation to preside at a communion service.

Bishop Piper put forward an interesting proposal a number of years ago; where he proposed that the communion service should be presided over by actual church elders who were long standing communicant members.

2ndly your point makes no consideration for the many congregations who actually want to have more regular communion services than on a monthly basis.

What I found interesting about this issue is that a number of years ago we had a dentist come and preside at communion... he could do this because he had been at one time an ordained minister; left the ministry to become a dentist...this in of its self seems to place a dichotomy between what is said and is actually practised within the diocese.

Anonymous said...

@ Matthew: What is the difference between a senior minister delegating the role of preside to a junior priest and to delegate to a licensed lay person that same right?

Michael Canaris said...

--"What I found interesting about this issue is that a number of years ago we had a dentist come and preside at communion... he could do this because he had been at one time an ordained minister; left the ministry to become a dentist..."--

Which is more painful: Hell or Root-Canal Therapy?

Alastair Haines said...

One vicar or many?

Who can forgive sins but God alone?

"While Christ enjoins the Apostles to forgive sins, he does not convey to them what is peculiar to himself. It belongs to him to forgive sins. This honor, so far as it belongs peculiarly to himself, he does not surrender to the Apostles, but enjoins them, in his name, to proclaim the forgiveness of sins, that through their agency he may reconcile men to God. In short, properly speaking, it is he alone who forgives sins through his apostles and ministers." John Calvin

"An tinwn afhte tas hamartias afewntai autois, an tinwn krathte kekrathntai." Jesus (according to John)

Any of those you released regarding sins, [the debts of those sins] have been released for those people [not only by you, but by God]; any of those you are still holding accountable [for the debts due on account of sins], they have been held accountable [not only by you, but by God].

Exegesis here needs to note the contrasting tenses of the two parallel expressions: "you released" (aorist) and "you are still holding accountable" (present).

Context, of course, is absolutely crucial. Judas has betrayed Jesus, Peter denied him, *and* the crucifixion is "finished". I take it that Jesus first gives his disciples the Spirit of *Truth* as witness to the perspicuity of what he goes on to say. Those, like Peter, who had continued to be accepted by the disciples despite his sins of cowardice, have *already* been forgiven by God himself thanks to the crucifixion. Those, like Judas and the Sanhedrin, who were undoubtedly being held responsible by the disciples, had still, according to Jesus, also been held accountable by God.

Jesus is not "empowering" the disciples to view their personal judgments as endorsed by God, why does he use the *perfect* tense for the passives? John uses the Greek passive for Jesus' presumably Aramaic affix (perfective) conjugation: God has now *already* FINISHED his action of mercy and judgment towards people, whoever they may be, and whatever our view of them.

Now go preach that! It *is* the Gospel. How can forbidding disciples of Jesus to preach *God's* forgiveness by Jesus' death be anything other than a gospel issue. Much more importantly, who will call those to repentance, who put themselves in the place of Jesus as God's one and only vicar?

I say Amen to the practice of those Anglican churches where the congregation are invited to "pronounce absolution" on one-another!

I am no longer an Anglican, but believe Anglican polity is a gift from God within Protestantism: bishops with *temporal* authority have been (and I think always will be) tremendously helpful for church order and for edification.

My prayers are with Michael and others as they work hard not to see babies thrown out with bathwater as international Anglicanism strives to refine and reform the contours of its bases for biblical Christian fellowship.

May God have mercy on us all! Yet how absolutely certain we can be that indeed he *already has*.

Matthew said...

Craig wrote:
@ Matthew: What is the difference between a senior minister delegating the role of preside to a junior priest and to delegate to a licensed lay person that same right?

The difference is that the church has considered these roles of such great importance that a person may not be commissioned to them by the simple discernment of a single priest, but rather has entrusted bishops to lead and ratify a comprehensive process of training and discernment. So the senior minister can only delegate such responsibility to those deemed by the church collectively to be suitable to bear it.

Matthew said...

@Alistair, I concur entirely with your quote from John Calvin, who concurs with Cranmer and the book of common prayer when he says that Christ alone forgives sins through his apostles and ministers.

Note "through his apostles and ministers". This is the understanding articulated in the Anglican ordinal and for these purposes 'minister' is located in the order of priests. For this purpose, though everyone in the body has a ministry, not everyone is a minister entrusted with this task. Thus I do not think mutual absolution is a particularly good idea.

You can dislike that or disagree with it, but nonetheless it is the authentic Anglican position and Sydney Diocese needs to realise that lay presidency is out of step with the Anglican view of ordination. Of course the Anglican church throughout the ages could be wrong or unwise, and you should feel free to argue this is so, but at the very least it might help them understand why their otherwise aligned brothers and sisters are not keen on this one!!

P.S. For clarity - of course there is only one vicar of God - the Lord Jesus Christ - but if anyone is imagining that an Anglican 'vicar' is pretending to be that they are mistaken - in Anglican polity a vicar is the vicar of their bishop.

Alastair Haines said...

Thanks Matthew, a view on presidency assumes a view on ordination, as well as a view on the eucharist. I think it's especially helpful for you to underline how senior pastors of congregations are, in reality, only middle-men for the executive representatives of the denomination. From a congregational point of view, things appear to stand or fall by a senior pastor. Yet there's a bigger picture: denominational affiliation is all about safeguards in the selection, training and mentoring of pastors. If presidency is to be taken seriously--as a responsibility, rather than a mere "going through some motions"--it should include responsibility for invitation to, and exclusion from, fellowship. It requires personal relationship with communicants, but it also requires understanding of and commitment to denominational interpretations of scripture.

In an Anglican context, the president at the Lord's table should possibly be understood to have personal authority not only to invite, but to excommunicate. If you ask me, I'd say that's way more authoritative, hence responsible, than even preaching! Preachers are accountable to the public enscripturated Word they attempt to explicate. Those who "host" the ceremonial meal, however, have a responsibility that is intimate, complex and harder to judge from an objective position. How helpful to have a bishop to seek out for advice in such circumstances.

A line manager in a sales team would be crazy not to delegate core business to the front-line workers. Maths lecturers may delegate to postgrads, but not undergrads however. Perhaps presidency is closer to the second situation than the first.

I have no dog in this Anglican debate, but it seems perhaps the "nay sayers" might be right on this. Perhaps it depends on other recent revisions to church polity. If Anglicans are dismantling hierarchy, as they have with other decisions regarding ordination, that doesn't in itself mean departing from the gospel. It just means a looser, less accountable structure, more akin to other Protestant denominations.

Is it true that any Anglican ordained to the priesthood can preside at communion? Is it also true that they have authority over all who may attend, in that they might bar someone from participation (should training and personal aquaintence recommend such an action to be edifying)?

Anonymous said...

Michael,

While I agree that biblically speaking there is no impediment to Deacons can preside over the Eucharist, I don't think the Sydney dio going ahead with lay administration is a good move.
1. There are many Anglicans outwith the Sydney diocese, and I am one of them, who don't hold to the Anglo Catholic understanding of the priesthood while recognizing that presiding over the Eucharist is an act of headship and as such ought to be reserved for the ordained Priest/Presbyter of a local congregation.

2.If it causes division and concern among Anglicans (even those who are conservative Evangelicals), and I think it does, then I don’t believe it is worth it.
For argument’s sake - just say that those in Sydney who are wanting this think that those who don’t are the weaker brother or sister, would not Romans 15:1 apply?

By the way I am not suggesting that those are against lay presidency (including myself) are weak, but all of God’s people are obligated to strengthen, encourage and build up each other.

David Palmer said...

Good to see Michael make the argument - long overdue!

They have been astonished at the passionate response to this attempt to change church order, when significant challenges to orthodox doctrine and ethics - and indeed, church order - go unremarked.

I don’t think this is the point – the argument from precedent is not a good one.

The basic argument against lay administration is that it has no confessional or historical support.

I note that Michael’s argument's are pragmatic (nothing wrong, they all make sense), however they are not theological, confessional or historical, and therefore I suggest, are incomplete.

Anonymous said...

Michael; I have been giving your other points some thought about maintaining the communion within the denomination.

I will argue that this is something that only happens within SA's leadership when its convenient.

Take the issue of women priests / bishops. What will / would be the reaction and actions of SA's leadership when such priests / bishops visit Sydney... will communion be maintained or will the communion be broken by how the leadership engages with these representatives of the Anglican communion...

Therefore I will argue that your point about not allowing lay presidency for communion reasons isn't really that valid in light of how Sydney readily breaks communion when it suits their purposes.

Michael Canaris said...

--"Take the issue of women priests / bishops. What will / would be the reaction and actions of SA's leadership when such priests / bishops visit Sydney?"--
Unless they presume to officiate here, would there need to be any? As it happens, I've met some women priests from Melbourne at various functions in certain Sydney parishes.

alfred angelo hickey said...

Where does this division of lay and leader/priest/clergy come from. Where was it invented ?

I for one know that many ordained "leaders" have false responsibility." How ? They do not possess basic marks of a believer, let alone a leader, like compassion, glorifying Christ or servanthood. In smug arrogance in office they mock others (below them).

Such a person is not a disciple of Christ. By elevating leaders or clergy, we make the error to assume there actually is some difference between the two, when Paul knocks down all such dividing walls, even that Great wall of circumcision and Jew and Gentile.

I for one am sick of having clergy undermine any of my efforts to serve God, when it is clear the Holy Spirit is not always upon them.

Order as a gospel issue is weak. Order ? The Spirit in the church gave utterance - not in any order, in scripture. The "order" issue I think was the understanding.

I can tell you confidently, that in your average church, people leave with very little understanding and little internalised teaching. Because they didn't really get what was being said, or it did not connect with their needs or who they are.

In our stupid orderly churches, we delegate such "personal syuff" to home groups, when real needs should be dealt with always.

In our stupid order, we sin.

The question is- what do you do to be an authentic expression of church ? Well the first thing might be to get rid of clergy altogether !er

Anonymous said...

@MC What would the reaction be to those female priests if asked to officiate at a local parish service by the incumbent priest?

Are they recognised as performing a valid service or not?

Michael Canaris said...

Beats me.

Matthew said...

@Craig,

this is the peculiarity I think was created by the extensive tampering with the threefold order of ministry undertaken in Sydney in recent years.

If a woman priest comes to Sydney, she is still recognised as a valid deacon. But if Sydney now allows deacons to do the ministries reserved elsewhere for priests (diaconal presidency), then you kind of have women priests by proxy. They cannot be appointed to the role of rector, but they can exercise a full 'priestly' ministry as understood by the rest of the church! (Note that a priestly ministry does not have to be an incumbency, though an incumbent has to be a priest.) If a church in Sydney employed a female priest as an associate, though licensed only as a deacon, they could hardly notice the difference and might consider her validly exercising the duties of the priestly order based upon her ordination elsewhere. Messy!

The whole thing, where people given what has always been considered adequate training for priests orders are now not ordained to the priesthood unless they are moving towards a function as a rector; and then the way the Sydney synod solved the 'problem' thus created with diaconal presidency, smacks of deliberate provocation to the wider church. If you want them to do a priestly ministry, ordain them to it.

I was very glad to read above that Michael would favour realigning with the traditional order. The changes are making it particularly difficult for churches elsewhere to bring in ministers trained in Sydney - ministers may be four or more years out of college and still not be priested, creating a lot of headaches for parishes who want to hire them in Melbourne and elsewhere because there are a lot more hoops to jump through if they have to get ordained here also - and they cannot be considered for incumbencies.

@Alistair, thanks for your thoughtful comments. Yes, as I understand it a priest can preside anywhere he is licensed, and fence the table where edifying, with deference to those in authority over him in that context. Excommunication, though, should involve the bishop, and people may appeal to the bishop if they feel unfairly treated in a local context.

Alastair Haines said...

And thank you Matthew for your clear and well informed comments, which along with Michael's original post, give me some helpful perspectives on unfolding events within Anglicanism.

Anonymous said...

@ Michael / Matthew

When I was a lay reader; I was also the churches pastoral representative and board member of the local retirement home / hospital. Being a small parish we couldn't afford to pay for a deacon.

In no way am I calling for a free for all in regards to who can and can't preside at communion. Perhaps the way forward is to formally "Deaconise" lay people on a local level... to release them to perform the pastoral duties they are called to....in reality isn't this what a licensed lay reader / pastoral worker is...

This would then fulfil the requirements for continual communion within the greater church context as well as fulfil and continue to reform within a theological context...

Matthew said...

Hi Craig,

The solution elsewhere in the Anglican church has been the creation of 'local priests', people ordained to the order of priest but only for a single local context in a non-transferrable way. It sounds like you are suggesting something like this (though you said deacon) - there are models in WA and Tasmania.

I'm not a huge fan of this either, as these priests are usually very under-trained, but it is a pragmatic solution which at least it respected the historic allocation of responsibilities in the threefold order. It tends to happen more in rural areas where congregations could go for several months waiting for a visiting priest otherwise.

Any system of order will create some local anomalies, and sometimes it is worth bearing those for the sake of the general wisdom. In my first year as a curate, as a deacon, I was actually the primary pastor with full leadership responsibility for the congregation, with the vicar in a more 'technical', administrative and supervisory role part-time (and on long service leave for a third of that year).

In other words, I exercised a ministry there usually reserved for the order of priests. But rather than break the rules, I brought in visiting priests three times a month to preside at communion for me. Now this was less than ideal theologically, since I knew the congregation and they didn't, and so was in a better position to preside pastorally. But it was only for ten months, then I was priested, so I figured it was better to respect the rules for the sake of the whole than demand they bend for my local and temporary peculiarity, and risk creating an unhelpful precedent or implied license to rebel for others.

Kien said...

Speaking as someone outside the Anglican tradition, I'm sympathetic to lay administration. However, I am not sure if the interest of promoting lay administration is of the same order as the interest of accommodating homosexuals within the Christian fellowship. Suppose there was a church that discriminated against a minority (say indigenous Africans). You may legitimately take the view that the need for change must take precedence over amiability among fellow Christians, no? Now, I understand that Sydney Anglicans do care about homosexuals and (think they) have a better approach to accommodating homosexual within the Christian fellowship. The point is that North American liberals sincerely think that it is discriminatory not to appoint someone as a bishop simply because he or she is homosexual. I don't think North American liberals are insisting on their right/liberty to govern as they please. Rather, they feel obliged to defend a minority. Please tell me why I am wrong.

Alastair Haines said...

Hi Kien, I expect Michael will answer your question, but I took the opportunity of your question to challenge my own thinking.

May I ask whether it would make a difference to you if a bishop was living with (or married to) his homosexual partner? (Let's assume they are also responsibly using condoms.)

Kien said...

Hi, Alastair. Thank you for your question. Perhaps it's best to leave my answer for another blog post by Michael rather than go off-topic. The point I wanted to make is that "lay administration" and "minority interest" are not equivalent issues. Michael seems to admit as much in acknowledging that "no practical necessity drives lay administration in Sydney". To insist on lay administration when there is even no practical necessity to do so would be to assert freedom to act as we please in a selfish manner.

I would say that North American liberals ought to pay close attention to the views of other Christian communities for two reasons:
(a) They ought to take account of the impact of their conduct on other Christian communities; and
(b) Listening to external voice is important to overcoming parochialism and "group think".

Sydney Anglicans also ought to pay close attention to the views of other Christian communities for the same reasons. Parochialism is not easy to overcome, and paying close attention to external voices is helpful in overcoming parochialism.

However, listening to external voices does not imply following others blindly. The North American liberals must ultimately make their own decision on how best to accommodate homosexuals within the local Christian community.

Unknown said...

David Hanger said,

Thank you Michael for your article and its wisdom. As an Anglican evangelical serving outside of Sydney I do not want us to allow lay administration to become a stumbling block to the growing potential for evangelical ministry outside the Diocese of Sydney whether in Australia or overseas