In my previous post I addressed the issue of gender relations as if it is merely an in-house theological discussion. Of course this is not the case. The question of differences between the genders and the way in which individuals can best express their masculine and feminine identities is one with which Western culture at large is still contending, with considerable pain and confusion. Kelly Burke, the Sydney Morning Herald religion reporter in early 2000s, noted how ‘laughable, if not downright offensive’ the notion of male headship is to most of her readers (and that Sydney Anglicans haven’t seemed to notice). At the same time, the pages of her own newspaper daily record the anxiety that our community experiences with regard to gender. More than ever before the issue of gender has become bound up with one’s own personal identity. Since the zeitgeist emphasises the freedom of the individual to self-create, especially over against any prefabricated notion of ‘roles’, the discussion of ‘headship’ is always going to jar with our wider cultural sensibilities.
Individual freedom, in other words, brings with it enormous anxiety. If the expression of my maleness or femaleness is not dictated to me by some social order and is something that I have to discover for myself, then an inner resourcefulness and self-awareness is asked of me that I may just not have. That is why, even given the freedom to experiment with how gender is expressed, most men and women conform to contemporary cultural norms of gender. They may not be men like their fathers or women like their mothers, but they are overwhelmingly pretty much the same as their brothers and sisters and friends. The vacuum of anxiety created by individual freedom is quickly filled, that is to say, by social conformity, fashion and self-help books.
Amidst this confusion and anxiety, Holy Scripture is not an embarrassment but a positive asset for Christians – whatever Kelly Burke’s readers might have thought. Evangelical Christians, whatever their view on the role of women in ministry and the home, have in Scripture a way of speaking of the profound and ineradicable sameness and mutuality of the human male and female. Men are not from Mars, and women are not from Venus: they are both very much of the Earth, and together image God. The Bible reminds us that we cannot conceive of maleness-without-femaleness or femaleness-without-maleness (1 Cor 11). Scripture gives an explanation, too, of the tension that exists between the sexes in their quest for power over one another. The Biblical pattern of marriage in terms of sacrificial love and submission is more than a remedy to this condition – it is an emblem of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Eph 5).
But Scripture gives us far less than we want vis-a-vis gender roles. The mistake made in moving from a ‘thin’ to a ‘thick’ complementarianism is to scour Scripture for references to men and women and make them somehow universal prescriptions for patterns of gender behaviours. Often what is adduced is a very culturally conservative version of gender and understood in ‘essentialist’ terms. For example, the directions that Paul gives to wives and younger women in Titus 2:5 that they are to be ‘busy at home’ is taken not as a teaching about the situation that most younger women would have found themselves in at the time, but as reflecting woman’s proper station – at home looking after children. Never mind that women like the business woman Lydia (Acts 16:14-15) and Chloe (1 Cor 11:1) seem to have been household heads.
Like political order, gender is a very human, culturally interpreted and negotiated realisation of the nature of our sexed bodies. This is not, in New Testament terms, some sort of complete gender relativism. Scripture takes very seriously the human arrangement of political and social authority but also shows how these are ultimately subject to divine rule. In 1 Peter 2:13, Peter enjoins Christians to honour and submit to all ‘human institutions’ That is: the political ordering of society is contingent and historical, a realization of delegated human authority. However, this contingence is providential (Rom 13). Unlike the modernist, who sees this historical contingence as an impetus for active subversion, the Christian submits to human orders – and ‘loyally resists’, offering the gospel. It is the gospel that transforms and subverts, not the human will. Thus 1 Corinthians 11 we find Paul upholding social conventions but with a transformed meaning (ie, the radical mutual dependence and constitution of the genders). The cultural development of gender is not absolute, but it is not irrelevant or unauthorized. Neither is it merely arbitrary.
The New Testament does a couple of other things that unsettle a ‘thick’ complementarian reading of gender. First of all, it celebrates singleness as a praiseworthy and even preferable calling for some Christians (1 Cor 7). Not only was Jesus single (though he is of course symbolically married to the Church), but Paul at the time of writing 1 Corinthians at least was advocating it – without lapsing into an anti-marriage asceticism. The single person is of course still gendered, but they are not expressing their gender in the socially conventional way. A single woman is not subject to a husband, and yet functions as full member of the household of God without in some way being a deficient woman. On the contrary, her singleness is to be honoured. The single person is a sign that the gospel of the risen and returning Christ has relativised the ‘natural’ order of things without overturning it.
Second, the New Testament asks men to imagine themselves in the ‘feminine’ position of submitting to and responding to the loving sacrifice of Christ, the head of the Church (Eph 5:22f). This is the analogy from which they are to learn, if they are husbands, to love their wives. Indeed – unless they can grasp what it is to be on the receiving end of the love of Christ and to submit to his headship, they cannot learn what it is to exercise headship. The 17th Century English poet John Donne rather shockingly expressed this gender reversal of faith in his poem ‘Batter my heart, three person’d God’ when, in his final line, he exclaims that he will never be ‘…chaste, unless you ravish me’.
‘Thick’ complementarianism, in my view, is lazy at best and legalistic at worst. It asks for Scripture to prescribe what Christians as redeemed men and women are called on to discern in the middle of history – and so it indulges itself in poor reading of the Bible. It posits a false dichotomy between the universal and the cultural – when the truth is that Scripture speaks a universal in and through the cultural. It is not an accident that, over the passage of time, those societies which have been more influenced by the Christian gospel have tended to embrace a much more egalitarian and companionate version of marriage. This is because the truth at the heart of the gospel that marriage is meant to enact is of power and authority exercised and received in loving sacrificial service for the good of the other. The notion of complementarity is not thereby overthrown. But it does mean that submission and headship will look remarkably different as the power differential between husbands and wives changes – as in fact it does. Amongst complementarian Christians that I know, marriages are remarkably egalitarian.
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Thanks Michael.
An excellent post.
Thanks michael, its generous of you not to simply dismiss my anti-intellectually pitched reactions to the last post, but seemingly weave consideration of that perspective into your further thoughts. That Donne quote is confronting! Christianity gives us a model for respecting social order in both church and state, but at the same time a confidence and freedom to play with it and confound it. A brilliant creative firecracker like him can illuminate a lot of lazy thinking in one flash.
Michael - I like what you mean by the difference between "thick" and "thin" assertions of male headship, but I wonder if "principled" vs "prescriptive" might be better terms...? It's just that "thin" sounds like "weak", as in "not powerful".
What you're proposing is a deep engagement with the principles that scripture teaches, followed by thoughtful application in our current context. That's different from a simplistic reading of Biblical prescriptions, ignoring their context, and dogmatically asserting them today.
Am I reading you right?
I don't know, this seems too much of a self-serving account of scripture imo. If, amid the supposed confusion and anxiety about gender, scripture is such a positive asset, why do people have such difficulty applying it in marriage for example, as per the syd ang discussion I cited in the prev post. Why is it that, by your own admission, very sincere and dedicated people can't even come up with a uniform conservative position, but instead have this "lazy" thick complementarianism, vs the apparently more correct 'thin' version? The fact you have to make the argument undermines the very premise of your argument.
The truth is there is enough material on both sides of the argument to build a case -- women are helpers/everyone is made in the image of God; women are to be silent/everyone can prophecy; women can't lead/there is no male and female in Christ. Take your pick, build your case. You have a bit each way saying the genders are "together [in the image of] God"; cite the (oddly creationist) tension between the sexes; but don't mention woman as a "helper".
For whatever confusion and anxiety exists in secular culture, it's far too convenient to present scripture as a consistent -- if it were, we'd hardly see the divisions over it that we do. The idea that we have to understand the deep, almost-imperceptible nuances is a cop out -- the debate becomes so abstract and detached from everyday life that people are just left with a confusing hodge-podge of messages they pay scant regard to; and essentially just live as the culture allows, with the added benefit of making an effort to be nice to each other, albeit in more grandiose terms. That's about the sum total of 'thin' complementarianism, as far as I can tell.
Your final observation is an inditement of -- not a gold star for -- complementarianism. That the marriages of complementary Christians you know look "remarkably egalitarian" speaks volumes, but not for your argument. This egalitarianism is a place we've been drawn to by culture; not the bible. It seems to me the last half-century of evangelicalism has almost always been on the wrong side of gender arguments, and now gets to indulge in post-feminist egalitarianism (as though this is the way it's always been) while at the same time holding into the pretense of complementarianism and declaring feminism one of the worst things to ever happen to our culture.
Well intentioned hypocrisy is still hypocrisy.
- luke s.
(Interestingly enough, the word verification for this comment was "rants" -- Google knows all ^_^)
So much here is contentious Luke that I hardly know where to begin. It doesn't help that you smuggle in little snide things like 'oddly creationist' to which this medium makes it impossible to respond.
You say my 'thin complementarian' position is hypocritical. I haven't spelt it out enough here. But I think it is potentially the braver option because instead of demanding rules about manhood and womanhood it requires discernment. Which is hard. If you are gonna be thin, you need to work at discernment and practice.
Hmmm, Michael, I hope I'm a "goldilocks complementarian", not too thick and not too thin: as fat as the Bible but no fatter.
I would have thought the Bible made it clear that men and women are not only from Earth, but also from Heaven.
Headship is about responsibility completely irrespective of power. Chop off a man's hands and he'll blame himself for the loss his family will suffer. Was Jesus less than head of the human race when a powerless baby born in Bethlehem? In 1 Corinthians 15 we read he will hand his whole kingdom over to his Father. Likewise in Philippians 2, Jesus' eschews equality with his Father, submitting to his purpose in the cross, with the bottom line being that his Father would be glorified (presumably, some kind of glory reserved exclusively for the "premium" person of the Trinity).
What does Philippians 2 teach? Equality? Surely not, it teaches us to follow Jesus, seeking to be responsible rather than seeking to be equal.
There was hierarchy in Heaven before ever there was an Earth, there will be hierarchy for all eternity. Hierarchy is perfectly compatible with love. It certainly does not imply hatred or misanthropy. Hierarchy is just one would-be insignifcant feature of loving responsibility within community, "would-be" because sin misdirects us away from our own responsibilities to stickybeak about other people's.
Michael, how can you focus attention on equality at the expense of biblical ontology? Equality is very fluffy and doesn't preclude hierarchical responsibility, nor does it guarantee love. Do we appoint leaders because they are more equal than others? Are gold medals awarded to all at the Olympics? Is representing Australia at the Olympics open to all? Do men compete for the women's medals?
Death to tyrants! Amen. But be blowed to equality, Vive la differance! God gives us diversity, he has it within himself!
Difference is ESSENTIAL to love, not equality. Think about it.
I'm probably 99% wrong, so I'll subscribe to the thread and give you a chance to set me straight.
@Michael, apologies for being snide. 'Thin' complementarianism certainly sounds more reasonable, and I appreciate your effort to resist dogma and take a more thoughtful approach.
However it's hard to escape the fact that it is apparently so difficult to work out from both a theological perspective (eg your case) and a practical one (the syd ang discussions), especially when it ends up looking very egalitarian as your own observations attest to. It makes me wonder if there's anything much there at all (general 'be nice to each other' sentiments notwithstanding); seems self-defeating.
Indeed the only thing complementarianism really seems to do here is prevent women preaching in some parts, and ministering (in the official sense) to mixed congregations; and even then people don't have the proverbials to take 1 Tim 2 at it's 'plain meaning', and dress it up as wishy-washy 'roles'.
Indeed the ancient view of women captured in the OT and NT has been so massaged and watered down to fit our modern sensibilities that it makes somewhat of a mockery of all the (well intentioned) efforts to be as 'biblical' as possible; and gives rise to these awfully peculiar situations where you have people living egalitarian lives proudly proclaiming their complementarian views.
Unfortunately that leaves you caught between a rock and hard place -- accept that egalitarianism has won in practice and your letting the side down; insist on a more muscular complementarianism and you fall into the same cultural time warp as the Americans. I appreciate you're trying to walk a fine line, but I'm not sure it's going to lead anywhere productive...
@Alastair - perhaps you could take it up with Athanasias, and the authors of the Athanasian creed...
To be honest I came on to your blog by accident and the stuff you're writing is far too heavy for me. I read ‘The Da Vinci Code’ and the things the hero in that talks about is kind stuff of what you're going on about. I'm gonna subscribe to your blog only because it makes me feel smart to do so, but please try and make your posts shorter. Blogs are meant to be short anyhow. I got reading this post and felt sleepy. I'm gonna go have a milkshake to cool down now. Peace.
Thank you for this very helpful post on gender relations. I think most people would agree that gender relationship is complementary, and many would argue in favour of thin complementarism. Not just Christians, but also non-Christians, including Muslims. At least in Malaysia, I hear pious Muslims defend Koranic prescriptions on gender relations using very similar arguments. That is, men and women are equal, but have complementary roles.
Nonetheless, the different religious traditions have quite different prescriptions on the way gender relations are expressed. Apologists from both tradition would claim that their respective traditions are an expression of thin complementarism. Admittedly however, the defenders of thin complementarism within Muslim societies are often in a minority.
Perhaps in a future post, you could comment on whether Paul's version of thin complementarism reflects something transcendental or something more local. The latter seems more likely to be true, and I wonder if the latter is your also view.
Hi Luke
Did someone say that gender wasn't fraught?!
MJ isn't walking a 'fine line' so much as saying that we can't claim more about gender than Scripture does. This isn't self-defeating; it's an important part of the basis for a constructive Christian theology of gender!
Cheers
Arthur
Hi Luke
Did someone say that gender wasn't fraught?!
MJ isn't walking a 'fine line' so much as saying that we can't claim more about gender than Scripture does. This isn't self-defeating; it's an important part of the basis for a constructive Christian theology of gender!
Cheers
Arthur
Hi Arthur,
I guess my point is Scripture *does* make strong claims about gender that not even complementarians take seriously. Women are man's helpers, women are more easily deceived (1 Tim 2) etc. A kinder, gentler complementarianism that waters down gender stereotypes from thousands of years ago is still institutionalized sexism.
If you said black people were white people's helpers, and black people are more easily deceived, you would be given short shrift as an obvious racist. Say the same thing about gender, and you're not sexist, you're upholding the bible!
Again, this would be more of a concern if complementarians actually believed and lived them -- but they're happy to ride the wave of feminism and consult a female doctor, be represented by a female lawyer, and have a woman run the state... but don't you dare preach in my mixed congregation!
I mean, really. Seriously guys, come to the other side... there's much less silly hoop jumping, rhetorical gymnastics and cognitive dissonance. We get to say "Women are equal" without need for qualification. It's a happier place :)
Hi Luke
Women and men are equal -- and what is a woman? What is a man?
Now that is an interesting question. ;)
Whoever can tell us the answer, complementarian or egalitarian, will have won the day, no?
Perhaps we need a more complicated Christianity for a more complicated world...
A.
Alastair
I think you hit the nail on the head. The key is hierarchy, ie. responsibility. God gives the law to Adam (before Eve's construction) and Adam is to teach and protect Eve. In fact, he is to be willing to die to protect her.
Not only do we need to redefine male headship for moderns as sacrificial (the grain of wheat), we need to redefine it as Covenant hierarchy. Throughout the Bible, God always delegates His authority first to a called man, who then speaks to "the bride."
There was an interesting article on Touchstone recently, examining how this idea of hierarchy, very prominent in the Narnia novels, has been mostly removed from the recent films.
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=23-06-030-f
The reason moderns don't 'get' biblical headship is simply because it has been abused. Men, like Adam, have been wolves instead of shepherds.
The church is NOT supposed to take its cue from culture, culture which is unable to interpret the world because it rejects the Bible. The church is supposed to lead the culture by example, which is costly.
Men are to image the last Adam, the One who submitted to the Father, and whose disarming sacrificial love makes it easy for us to submit to Him.
But Covenants always include blessings and curses. Church leaders who take their cues from culture instead of Scripture should be disciplined, and if necessary, excommunicated. It's high time to throw some snakes out of the sanctuary. This is the other edge of the sword of Covenantal headship.
When we consider that the Pentetauch was written and completed in the exilic post exilic period; I wonder how far we can take the theme of headship from within the Genesis account.
Certainly within the pre exilic period many female leaders rose up within the Hebrew nation. Deborah, Huldah and we have the prophetess Anna who took the Christ baby in her arms and blessed him.
Dear Craig, your first sentence is nonsense. It's the baseless opinion of moderns who make themselves judges of God's Word. Sadly this includes many evangelicals to various degrees. They castrate the Bible and then bid the gelding to be fruitful.
There were prophetesses and king-esses (queens) and judgesses, but no priestesses. Not one. In worship, it is a Man that images God to His people. Always. Men are protological. Women are eschatological. Even the Revelation begins with the Man and ends with the bridal city.
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/11/10/liturgical-man-liturgical-woman/
Mike. How or what do you do with Abigail when it comes to Biblical Headship? Was she a Godly woman as Scripture says she was... or was she an ungodly woman?
I like what Fee says... the gifting from God will always outrank gender.
Isn't that like saying the Hebrew midwives should have obeyed Pharaoh's orders? Interceding is not usurping authority. And deception by the "warrior bride" is eye for eye justice upon men who have become serpents and beasts.
Nabal wasn't a priest. There are no priestesses.
When men fail in their God-given domains, God will use women in their God-given domains. But the women never image God; they always image the church, the joint-heir who is given half the kingdom and calls down vengeance upon her enemies.
While I am not entirely on Craig's side:
Michael, you are engaging in eisegesis.
Dear Michael
Wow - and I was holding a lot back! Where am I engaging in eisegesis?
Well the whole join the dots method for starters.
You've read masses into the genesis account of what authority Adam is given over Eve that just isn't there.
I think we'll have to just disagree on methodology.
The rest of the Bible pretty obviously unpacks, or puts flesh on, exactly what happened in the Garden. In fact, Bible history is a living commentary on it, as are you and I. It is history, yet because God is sovereign, it is also symbol and image and type, as are you and I.
Adam was Covenant Head, and Eve Covenant body, the mother of all living. Their stations, and their actions in those stations, play out in every area of life in every society.
Every area of life is Covenantal, and these all follow the same structure. Hence Yahweh can call Israel his wife, and Jesus can show John the city as a bride. My Scripture kids get this straight away.
It's time we moderns started reading the Bible as its Author and his "scribes" intended. The apostles, for instance, seem to take it as a given. Paul even uses typology as evidence against Galatian heretics!
Being systematic, "joining the dots" most certainly has its own checks and balances. And we miss more than half of what the Bible's authors are saying if we refuse to acknowledge one of their channels of communication, which is structure, or structural allusion.
I'd love to have a discussion, even a debate, on this some time. The evidence for it is overwhelming, and it marshals evidence far beyond some pitiful proof texts to quickly put this male/female debate in the grave.
'It's time we moderns started reading the Bible as its Author and his "scribes" intended. '
There's your issue right there...that's where I am afraid you are seeing more than is actually in the text itself...
Surely, if we identify repeated structures and consistently repeated symbols, we are doing no more than any literary analyst does of any human author's work? Surely to refuse to do so is to deny the Bible is a single work of literature by God.
The apostles use this method constantly, and it explains their odd use of many OT texts. Hence Hebrews' reference to Jeremiah concerning a promise of a new Covenant with Judah and Israel which was fulfilled in the Restoration (ie. putting north and south back together in a new body) and applying it typologically to the first century.
Typology can most certainly be abused. Roman Catholics use types as evidence for their worship of Mary, but those types are "drive-bys." They ride against the previous uses of those symbols and the structures within which they are contained. The checks and balances are extremely efficient.
I've been looking at texts with this premise (based on Genesis 1-3) for four years, and it works like clockwork.
To call it eisegesis is like telling someone off for laughing during Shrek because the movie doesn't actually give you footnotes as to which nursery rhyme or movie it is alluding at given points. This is why the modern hermeneutic just doesn't "get" much of the Bible.
Jesus opened the OT in this way, and then the apostles did the same. For instance, the Tabernacle/Temple was always a man. It just took a certain way of looking to see it.
Shakespeare never gave footnotes, and neither does the Bible. When the Father made Christ a new Adam, and put Him in authority over the church, of course a serpent is going to turn up and try to deceive her - Paul mentions it, and so does John in Revelation 12! But it was impossible for the elect to be deceived by the first century false prophets (Judaisers) because they had a better Adam guarding them. Jesus defends His disciples in the Garden.
So, it's not eisegesis. It just a more circumspect exegesis. Like you use with Shakespeare.
Mike you make a statement about there being no female priests.
How do you reconcile that with Hebrews saying Christ is our high priest and we are the priesthood of all believers?
Craig
Good question.
The church had no problem with that text for 1800+ years of no female ministers. All of Israel was under Covenant as a nation of priests, but within that nation, all the priests were male. Men and women had different stations within the warrior bride. As individuals, men imaged the Father (and in circumcision, the coming Son under the Father's knife), (Covenant Head) and women imaged the entire nation. Women are plural (Covenant body).
This may make Michael cringe, but notice that the curse upon Adam concerned his head (brow) and the curse upon Eve concerned her body (offspring - plurality).
Michael's point in his post about men submitting to authority was a good one. The Nazirite vow was for both men and women. Under this vow, each individual imaged the corporate warrior bride - long hair, and no grapes (a wilderness sojourn: Num 6:3; 13:23).
Baptism is for men and women - the whole body. It makes us part of the warrior bride, terrible as an army with banners. Israel was the split Adamic altar-rock, and we are the living bridal waters.
Yet again, within worship, men image the Covenant head to the Covenant body. From memory, liturgically, the minister used to face the sanctuary as part of the Bride, and then face the congregation as he imaged Christ. Now there's some Nazirite gender bending.
Your statement in that the church had no female ministers is lacking. At what point are you saying this started / finished.
I would argue that within the context of the social and cultural landscape of the NT church, that the Christian message was not one of headship rather was one of the liberty and equality between race, gender, and class.
Within the Hebrew culture there was a common prayer..."I thank you I am not a female or gentile or slave" I would argue that Paul's thought to the Galatians runs deeper then you would have it.
We see Paul calling a female an Apostle. We see a female teaching Apollo's the better way.
It's not that women have nothing to do! They are very busy in the Old Testament and the New. The woman in Prov. 31 is truly awesome.
But women are always subject to the priestly, protective Covenant authority of men, just as the men and the women are subject to the priestly, protective Covenant authority of Christ. Every Junia has an Andronicus (and wouldn't you say these were apostles with a lower case 'a'?. I don't think there was a single female contender in the search for a replacement for Judas.)
Yes, race, gender and class were dissolved - regarding the Old Testament distinctions, not the created order. Men and women, Jew and Gentile, ruler and servant, are baptized and able to serve in the resurrected tent. Women are not kept outside the holy place. Kings can now offer "incense" as priests and not be killed. The head was joined to the body. All is made clean. But the head is the head and the body is the body. The divided linen was left in the tomb.
Mike; I don't think Paul ever made a distinction between upper and lower cases as to any Apostles authority or ministry.
What I find problematic in your reasoning is where do single people fit within your covenant. Where do the orphaned and widowed fit in to it.
I also find it somewhat problematic in how you will place gender above gifting.. don't you think the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing when he gifts someone for service?
Craig
I think there is an obvious distinction between the Apostles sent by Christ Himself, and those to whom the commission was then delegated by laying on of hands.
Where did singles, widows and orphans fit within the Old Covenant? They were to be protected by the rulers. In fact, outside of crimes of idolatry (spiritual harlotry), God's "nostrils" only ever got "kindled" when widows were being oppressed.
Plenty of rebellious women claim to have been gifted by God. But God's not going to contradict the order of things, natural or Covenantal, by which He consistently does absolutely everything in the Bible. Herodian worship is pictured in the Revelation as a very gifted harlot who has usurped her true husband by murdering him and the delegates He sent to her. So the claim of female clergy is basically:
"Behold, I sit a queen, and am no widow."
She refuses to be protected, and is burned with fire as a priest's daughter, according to the Law. She becomes barren, like every denomination where female clergy have been allowed to minister.
Gifting is not the measure. Obedience is. Cain's offspring are usually the more naturally gifted. But the obedient end up inheriting their wealth. Abel's obedience was a more excellent gift, and the blood of Abel was avenged upon four millennia of gifted Cainites in AD70. (Matthew 23:35; Hebrews 11:4).
I see a dubious link between Cains family and women ministering in the church.
In fact Paul goes to great lengths to allow women to prophesy within the church structure. Now generally speaking within the modern context the church equates prophecy as preaching... It's dumb to say that there were no men within the congregation whenever a woman prophesied...
In fact while you say there is no example of woman priests in the OT; there is the example of Huldah who was the Godly prophetess whom the king sought out regarding Gods ways.
The link is that a willingness to obey the Scriptures is a sign of the giftedness that comes from the Spirit. When men and women ride roughshod over biblical distinctions and disregard the church's historical stand on issues of sexuality and gender, the spirit that is gifting them is not the holy one, whatever they say.
Did Huldah offer sacrifice?
Sure, women speak. God speaks the Word to a silent Adam (Moses on the mountain), then the ascended Adam opens the Law to the Eve (Pentecost). Eve is supposed to respond to that, and she usually does it in song (ie. gloating over the destruction of the serpent).
But there is within all this a hierarchy that is never broken.
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